As Bette Midler turns 70, read this 2014 interview with her from the archives.
Bette Midler is tiny but what she lacks in height she makes up for in attitude. Sheâ€™s running late, then suddenly sheâ€™s not, except, in the end, it turns out she is. There is a PR to meet me in the foyer of Claridgeâ€™s, and a PR in the hall of the huge suite that her record company have taken over. Looking for the loo I accidentally stumble on a room that is a hive of activity â€“ four or five people on laptops, phones clamped to ears, a nerve centre in miniature. These are Betteâ€™s people. Bette has a lot of people. They are, she tells me later with a joyous hoot, the wind beneath her wings.
Behind closed doors I can hear another interview coming to an end. â€œFeel free to make me sound funnier than I actually am!â€ she says. It is a line I suspect she has trotted out many times over the last few days. She is in town to announce her first UK tour in 35 years and to launch a new album. While sheâ€™s here, she would like to visit Cliveden (â€œhow do you pronounce it Bry-oh-knee? Cleeeave-den?â€) as sheâ€™s been reading a book about it, but her husband wonders if itâ€™s too far away.
Midler is wearing a slinky black dress and a pair of Christian Loboutins. She has aged exceptionally well, like a fine wine; she looks better at 68 than she ever did, her corkscrew curls replaced by an elegant updo. Almost 50 years in showbusiness have taught her a lot: she knows that she must always look immaculate. â€œWomen now, they [have to] pose,â€ she drawls. â€œThey donâ€™t want those ugly pictures of them on the internet, and I donâ€™t blame them. Itâ€™s like a war! Itâ€™s poisonous, totally toxic,â€ she says. â€œIf you get on that red carpet, you better be prepared for the results, truly.â€
She did The Royal Variety Performance the other day. â€œI met the beautiful Duchess [of Cambridge] and her wonderful, handsome husband and theyâ€™re lovely, lovely people and I was delighted to be introduced.â€ One Direction were also there. Did she meet them? â€œI saw them from across a crowded room,â€ she says, an insincere smile on her face. â€œSimon Cowell was there so I didnâ€™t dare approach them.â€ She mimes a theatrical retch as she says this.
We are here to talk about her new album, Itâ€™s the Girls, a compilation of covers of the girl bands of her youth. â€œThe Ronettes, The Chiffons, The Marvelettes, The Crystalsâ€¦â€ They all had such wonderful names, I say. â€œOh yeah, they really did. SoÂ evocative. They were completely and utterly wholesome and whimsical. And optimistic. The music was very optimistic and upbeat. The ballads were sometimes sad but you knew things were going to turn out in the end. The music wasnâ€™t bleak. This was before Bob Dylan, you know,â€ she says drily.
There is only one modern song on the album â€“ Waterfalls by TLC. I ask if she considered using the music of any other contemporary bands. â€œI couldnâ€™t think of a girl group that was modern who had a song as meaningful as [the one by] TLC. I couldnâ€™t find one. I mean, who are you talking about? The Spice Girls?â€ She looks aghast. â€œI like Destinyâ€™s Child. I think that was the last great girl band there was.â€
We talk about the pornification of pop music. â€œItâ€™s terrible! Itâ€™s always surprising to see someone like Ariana Grande with that silly high voice, a very wholesome voice,Â slitheringÂ around on a couch,â€ â€“ here, she does some slithering herself â€“ â€œlooking so ridiculous. I mean, itâ€™s silly beyond belief and I donâ€™t know whoâ€™s telling her to do it. I wish theyâ€™d stop. But itâ€™s not my business, Iâ€™m not her mother. Or her manager. Maybe they tell them thatâ€™s what youâ€™ve got to do. Sex sells. Sex has always sold.â€
But does it sell more now? â€œWell whatever strictures there were have fallen apart. And now itâ€™s whatever you feel like doing you can do. I mean, apparently people really like toÂ pretendÂ theyâ€™re having sex. They really like to slap each otherâ€™s butts.â€ She slaps her own butt. â€œI mean, donâ€™t ask me. Itâ€™s beyond me. Iâ€™m too old. I donâ€™t know what the end game is going to be. I donâ€™t know where you go from all that sex in your twenties. I donâ€™t know how you sustain it.â€ If she had any advice for a young woman wanting to break in to showbusiness today, it would be this: â€œtrust your talent. You donâ€™t have to make a whore out of yourself to get ahead. You really donâ€™t.â€
Though Bette Midler seems as Manhattan as Woody Allen, she was actually born in Hawaii, of all, places, at the end of the Second World War. Her father was a painter who disapproved of her showbiz ambitions; her mother, a seamstress, named her after Bette Davis and is said to have screamed â€œfabulousâ€¦ I didnâ€™t know she was so witty!â€ when she first saw her daughter perform.
Midler worked in a pineapple factory before escaping to New York City where she got a role as one of the sisters in Fiddler on the Roof. She played the eldest daughter. â€œShe was supposed to be tall and lean,â€ said Midler in an interview a long, long time ago, â€œand I was short and fat.â€ But what did it matter how beautiful she was with humour and talent like that?
Midlerâ€™s own sister, Judith, was killed in a car crash while on the way to see her perform. It is said to have haunted Midler for many years afterwards. But she overcame personal tragedy to achieve professional success. It was in New York that she began singing in a gay bathhouse with Barry Manilow as her pianist, adopting the alter ego The Divine Miss M. The bathhouse â€“ and what exactly took place there – is the subject of much speculation, but sheâ€™s always maintained that she didnâ€™t notice anything untoward because she was too busy focusing on her own performance. Thatâ€™s Bette for you. Professional to the end.
Musical success (she has won three Grammy awards) was followed by movie success â€“ her first, The Rose, won her a Golden Globe, while Beaches still tops weepy lists almost 30 years after its release. She has been a brilliant comedienne too, her mermaid in a wheelchair character ripped off by the likes of Lady Gaga.
â€œI have dabbled in this, dabbled in that,â€ she says now, of her varied career. â€œIâ€™m easily distracted but focused. Once I decide what Iâ€™m going to do Iâ€™m like a dog with a bone. I canâ€™t let it go until itâ€™s done and itâ€™s done well.â€ But you donâ€™t get multi-tasking entertainers any more. Nowadays, â€œthe comics donâ€™t make music and the musicians donâ€™t make comedy, which is so wrong. In the old days everybody did everything, and that was the best way to do it.â€
The stage, she says, is her â€œspiritual home. Itâ€™s where I live. But I do like being off the stage as well. I have a big life off stage.â€ Thereâ€™s her husband of almost 30 years, Martin von Haselberg, who gave up his job as a commodities broker to support Midlerâ€™s career and bring up their daughter, Sophie, now 28. Sophie is an actress who will shortly appear in the new Woody Allen film. â€œMy husband and I are both very happy and proud and obsessed.â€
Then thereâ€™s her charity, The New York Restoration Project, which has been going for nearly 20 years. Its aim is to plant trees and restore run-down buildings in deprived areas of the city; Midler bought 52 community gardens in the area and is a passionate horticulturist. Her interest started when Sophie was born â€“ she says she looked back to the â€œsunnyâ€ world she grew up in and couldnâ€™t bear that her daughter wouldnâ€™t get to do the same.
â€œThe whole world has become disposable,â€ she says, concern writ large over her small face. â€œPeople use things once, then they throw it away. I grew up really frugal. It was the end of the war and people didnâ€™t have anything. They had to take care of what they had. They had to polish their shoes. I mean, you say polish your shoes to someone nowadays and they donâ€™t know what youâ€™re talking about!â€ She throws her hands in the air. She doesnâ€™t let plastic in her house. All the water bottles in the room are glass.
Her work ethos is equally old school. â€œNow you feel entitled to it without working for it. You come out of college and think ‘well, I can do anythingâ€™. No one is willing to learn the game and plunge in before they are a star.â€ She wishes if anything, she had been more relaxed about her career. â€œI worked a little too hard, Iâ€™m afraid. I should have been easier on myself. But I like rehearsal. I love the business.â€
Will she ever retire? â€œOf course Iâ€™m going to retire.â€ Oops, sorry for asking. â€œYou just take your time and you just sort of sneak out when no oneâ€™s looking. I definitely think that will happen.â€ Whatâ€™s the key to her longevity? â€œI think itâ€™sâ€¦ gee, thatâ€™sâ€¦â€ for the first time during our encounter, she is lost for words. â€œI think itâ€™s perseverance. Continuing to put one foot in front of the other. And taking advantage of the opportunities. I took advantage of some opportunities that I shouldnâ€™t have, but in the long [term], I had more peaks than I had valleys, and I never let anything distress me so much that I couldnâ€™t get up off the floor.
â€œIt was a wonderful life,â€ she says, suddenly the narrator of her own life story. â€œI did good with it. I didnâ€™t shame anybody. I didn’t mortify anybody. I didnâ€™t take my clothes off. I wasnâ€™t caught in flagrante. The fact that they never caught me is really kind of the thrill.â€
One of her umpteen PRs is now in the room, letting me know our time is up. â€œFeel free to make me sound more funny that I actually am!â€ she says, and I leave with the sense that I have just been in the presence of one of the last great entertainers. A true star.